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Setting the ignition Vespa with a stroboscope ignition pistol

Adjust the Vespa ignition - but do it right!

Correct ignition timing is important for the thermal health of the engine:

  • Reliability
  • Longevity and
  • full performance

Anyone who tunes their Vespa, rebuilds the engine or rebuilds it as part of a restoration should do it not on the existing markings rely on the motor housing, the pole wheel and the ignition base plate for ignition adjustment, but measure yourself and the Set the Vespa ignition correctly.

The correct setting of the ignition on your Vespa engine is electronic with these Ignition timing guns For petrol engines with contact or electronic ignition -> transistor ignition system (CDI ignition as in series with ET3, PK, PX, Cosa, T5 etc.) possible without any problems. Of course, this also works with the ignitions of the Lambretta with these ignition pistols also adjust the Lambretta ignition.

With these stroboscopic pistols, both old 6-volt and modern 12-volt ignitions can be set!

To the pilot light pistols in the shop

In this video tutorial Adjust the Vespa ignition we'll show you how Maryzabel and Alex set the ignition on ours Platonica Vespa have set:

Set Vespa ignition Flash Vespa PX ignition & assembly, tuning

Comparison of strobe pistols for Vespa & Lambretta

3 versions: large, small and with onboard or external battery

A super bright xenon tube and a special converging lens guarantee optimal visibility of the fixed marks with these ignition light pistols: even at speeds of over 8000 rpm in the near field range.

The gun is connected by means of an inductive clamp on the spark plug cable directly to the rubber insulation, without direct contact with the strand.

Our ignition timing guns are attached to the lens with a Rubber coating Mistake. This protector protects the plastic housing and the lens and ensures that you will enjoy the product for as long as possible.

 

1. Handy, mobile, operated with mono cells

Ignition light gun TRISCO-ProLITE (double-D) (- strobe light flash gun - ignition 6V / 12V
Article no.: MN911B

Ignition light pistol -MOTO NOSTRA (double-D) (- Stroboscopic lightning pistol - Ignition 6V / 12V Moto Nostra Article no .: MN911B

Es wird no external power supply needed. Two D batteries (Mono, LR20, MN1300) are used for the power supply; But you can order here at the same time.

In addition to being used as a pilot light gun, it can also be used as a work lamp!

  • handy small
  • Batteries on board
  • Flashlight function
  • Rubber protector

 

2. PROLITE version for the ambitious screwdriver

Ignition light pistol TRISCO-ProLite - strobe light flash pistol - ignition 6V / 12V
Article no.: MN922

Ignition light pistol -MOTO NOSTRA- strobe light flash pistol - ignition 6V / 12VMoto Nostra Item no .: MN912

This is the largest pistol that feels great in the hand. The cable with the two crocodile clips is a robust and practical spiral cable that is connected to a plug on the gun. Optimal pistol for the ambitious screwdriver and tuner - PROLITE version.

It will always be, regardless of whether it is a 6V or 12V ignition an external power source with 12 volts (e.g. a car battery) if the vehicle does not already have one.

  • external 12 power source required
  • practical spiral cable
  • Cable separable from the housing / plug
  • for the ambitious screwdriver
  • Rubber protector

3. Handy and inexpensive 12V version

Ignition light pistol TRISCO-ProLite stroboscopic lamp flash pistol - ignition 6V / 12V
Article no.: MN912

Ignition light pistol -MOTO NOSTRA- strobe light flash pistol - ignition 6V / 12VMoto Nostra Item no .: MN912

For the occasional setting of the ignition, we have this light and handy TRISCO-ProLite ignition light gun in our range. It lies comfortably in the hand and of course also has the rubber protector. The cables are firmly connected to the gun body.

It will always be, regardless of whether it is a 6V or 12V ignition an external power source with 12 volts (e.g. a car battery) if the vehicle does not already have one.

  • external 12 power source required
  • for the hobby area
  • cheap version
  • Rubber protector
To the pilot light pistols in the shop
For Vespa and Lambretta scooters, these are: strobe or stroboscope lamp, also strobolamp, it is colloquially abbreviated to ZZP among scooter drivers. Do not worry, you do not need a gun license for this pistol, you can also use this ignition timing pistol to control the stroboscopic pistol / speed camera or flash gun and strobe flashes the ignition point on the scooter using flashes, flash from the light gun after ignition, you can then set the ignition to control the ignition setting .

 

Digital degree disk -TSR Buzzwangle

Digital degree disc TSR Buzzwangle

Determine ignition timing and steering angle

Set Vespa ignition / Set Lambretta ignition with the digital degree disk -TSR Buzzwangle Ignition and Port Timing Tool- used to digitally measure the ignition point and the control angle on 2-stroke engines (BZZKIT1)

TSR buzzer

The BUZZWANGLE tool is designed to be able to determine both the ignition point and the control angle of a two-stroke engine (e.g. Vespa / Lambretta) in a very simple way. The device measures 360 ° with a resolution of 0,1 degrees. That is ten times more accurate than with a conventional degree disk!

The kit consists of a screw adapter for the most common pole wheel threads. The magnetic buzzer tool is placed on this adapter.

The screw adapter fits the following models:

  • “L” M27x1.25 - suitable for LAMBRETTA Innocenti (models LI, LIS, SX, TV, DL, GP, J, Lui, A, B, C, LC, D and LD) and MZ vehicles
  • “V” M28x1.0 - suitable for almost all Vespa Largeframe and Smallframe Motors with pole wheel thread. Also for Piaggio / Gilera 125-180ccm Maximengines and SIP Vape ignitions.
  • “VT” M27x1.0 - suitable for Vespatronic retrofit ignitions. Can also be used for many classic 2-stroke motorcycles, e.g. Yamaha RZ350, RD350, RD250, RZ250, BANSHEE. Also suitable for GAS GAS motorcycles and Hondas that have a Kokusan ignition.
  • "P" M24x1.0 - suitable for Parmakit retrofit ignitions, also suitable for Aprilia RS125 and 50ccm engines from Kymco, MBK, Peugeot, Honda and Yamaha / MBK (Minarelli)

 

DETERMINE TOP DEAD POINT

To do this, screw the piston stopper into the spark plug thread and turn the piston with the pole wheel against the stop. Now unscrew the adjusting screw of the piston stop until the piston just barely runs against a resistance. Now place the buzzer on the adapter screwed into the pole wheel thread and set it to ”0”. Now turn the pole wheel in the opposite direction until it runs against the stop of the piston stop again. Halve the value displayed by the device and turn the pole wheel again in the other direction until the halved value is reached. That's it: This is the exact top dead center!

How to use Buzzwangle Tool for ignition timing www.buzzwangle.com

SET IGNITION TIMING MARKERS

Once the top dead center has been determined, a corresponding mark is made on the pole wheel and the motor housing. The BUZZWANGLE is now set to ”0” and the number of degrees before top dead center is displayed by turning the pole wheel. Once the desired value has been reached, the final marking for flashing is applied to the motor housing. To do this, simply transfer the previously set marking of the top dead center from the pole wheel to the motor housing. Now this marking can be done with a running engine Strobe flash lamp be checked and, if necessary, the ignition setting corrected until the marking on the pole wheel and the motor housing match.

Buzzwangle - Ignition Timing and Strobing - the Fastest Way www.buzzwangle.com

DETERMINE CONTROL ANGLE

To do this, the BUZZWANGLE is placed on the adapter, the channel to be measured for the piston is blocked with a thin sheet of a feeler gauge and the tool is set to ”0”.
Now turn the crankshaft in the opposite direction until the piston hits the blade of the feeler gauge again. The tool now shows the exact control angle of the measured channel (minus the path blocked by the feeler gauge blade).

How to use Buzzwangle Tool to calculate 2 stroke port timing www.buzzwangle.com

 

Instructions via PDF: Buzzwangle digital degree disk

Now available: CMD Beluga for Lambretta ignitions

Here we had the brilliant one Lambretta tool already announced. Now is that Beluga available:

  • precise scale,
  • a quick reversal measurement,
  • accurate and reproducible results,
  • Flashing possible with mounted Beluga,
  • finest stainless steel,
  • Special brackets for Lambretta.

Whale for Vespa = Beluga for Lambretta

What the beluga is to the Lambretta, the whale is to the Vespa. There is one here detailed videoHow to use the Beluga or Whale easy to set the ignition on the scooter easily and precisely:

 

 

Adjust the Lambretta ignition with the Beluga

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What a pity: The usual scratching and smearing on the MagHousing of your Lambretta will be a thing of the past! But there is no reason to get sentimental now, because you will soon receive:

  • a precise scale,
  • a quick reversal measurement,
  • accurate and reproducible results,
  • Flashing possible with mounted Beluga,
  • finest stainless steel,
  • Special brackets for Lambretta.

 

The beluga for the Lambretta is the whale for the Vespa

The Beluga is currently entering the test phase with the first prototypes. For the Vespa it is Tool for easy and precise setting of the ignition already available.
You can find one here too detailed video to:

Adjust the ignition on Lambretta LI 1-3, SX, DL / GP

For the Lambretta, the Beluga will be compatible with the Lambretta 1-3 and DL / GP models. We'll keep you up to date here in the blog!

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The beluga is a Crazy Monkey Development (CMP) Product.

Caliper for ignition adjustment -CMD The Whale V-Duo- Vespa Largeframe and Smallframe

Set the ignition on the Vespa with "the whale"

The whale is a tool that makes it easier for you precisely adjust the ignition of your Vespa. The caliper "The Whale V-Duo" is for Vespa Largeframe and Smallframe suitable. A suitable tool for Lambretta is under development.

The two-part caliper is equipped with freely positionable measuring tips and an effective measuring range of approx. 40 ° each. For easy determination of the ignition point at static and variable ignitions.

  • Designed for existing attachment points of the fan wheel cover.
  • Fixed 0 ° position for optional marking of the OT
  • Stainless steel with permanent industrial engraving
BUY THE WHALE HERE

 

Video instructions for adjusting the Vespa ignition

This is the ultimate tutorial by Jörg Pien and Kevin Wintergrün (PX Garage Nienburg). It shows you three ways to ignite your Vespa with the new one Vespa ignition tool Set “The Whale” to “The Whale”.

PDF instructions for setting the Vespa ignition

Alternatively, we offer you Jörg Pien's instructions for download here:

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BUY THE WHALE HERE

Thank you CMD as well as Jörg Pien and Kevin Wintergrün (PX Garage Nienburg)

Caliper for ignition adjustment -CMD The Whale V-Duo- Vespa Largeframe and Smallframe

New tool for setting the ignition on the Vespa

With the CMD vernier caliper you can measure your Easily adjust the Vespa ignition yourself.

Vernier caliper for ignition timing -CMD The Whale V-Duo- Vespa Largeframe and Smallframe

As we work closely with CMD, we suggested making the measuring tips adjustable for the current edition of the whale, as the exchangeable measuring tips always required additional “screwdriving work”.

Now you can this great tool Adjust to almost any imaginable combination of motor housing and pole wheel.

The whale CMDTW0010 010

Adjustable measuring tips for all Vespa engines

Thanks to the adjustable measuring tips, it is now possible to quickly adapt the caliper to the various conditions.

BUY HERE

Suitable for Vespa Smallframe (PK, V50, Primavera) and LArgeframe, (PX, Rally, Sprint, VNB, ...)

Regardless of whether it is on the E-Start pole wheel of a PX

 

The whale CMDTW0010 002

 

or at the other extreme; a twisted PK pole wheel on an electric start motor housing -

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The new, adjustable measuring tips cover this area perfectly.

 

The whale CMDTW0010 011

BUY HERE